My Conditionalist Archive

I have put this post with the links to posts on this subject from my blog for convenience:

Champions of Conditional immortality in History

In Defence Of Conditionalism

Evangelicals Dialogue Over Hell & Conditional Immortality

Hell, Heaven And The Second Advent Of Jesus

Christian Leaders Air Views On Hell And Conditional Immortality

More Views On Hell And Conditional Immortality

Hell, All Souls Day And The Gospel

I Don’t Believe In Hell

There is a blog totally dedicated to Conditionalist blogs/articles on the Internet called Life Beyond Death.

Related subjects of Resurrection and the Second Advent

The Coronation

Margaret Thatcher’s Funeral: Bishop Of London’s Sermon In Full

Exploring the Secret Rapture and the Second Coming of Jesus

Anglicans and the Second Advent Part I

Anglican and the Second Advent Part II

Anglicans and the Second Advent Part III

Anglicans and the Second Advent Part IV

The Big Questions’ And BBC Anti-Christian Bias? (Discussing the End of the World)

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A Universe From Nothing?

Last year theoretical physicist and atheist, Lawrence Krauss, wrote a book titled “A Universe from Nothing: Why There is Something Rather than Nothing.”

But: “Nothingness has no properties, and thus has no potential for anything.  If you start with nothing, you will always and only end up with nothing.  Something can only come from something else.”  It is also worth reading the comments

 

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In Defence Of Conditionalism

To add to my previous post there are also links hereBut there is also a dedicated blog in Defence of Conditionalism (see the right hand ‘Category’ section for links to different websites).

“What is Conditionalism? For the uninitiated on terms that are used by theologians in their discussions on what happens when we die these links here and here and here might be helpful. Annhilationism is an associated term that says that at the end of the age the ‘wicked’ and those who have rejected God will face their Creator in the judgment will be annihilated: they will not face the traditional view of an eternal burning hell. Wikipedia has an article on Annihilationism” 

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Hell – All Souls Day And The Gospel

I read on a Catholic website that “today, Saturday November 2nd is All Souls Day, the day after All Saints Day, which was preceded by Halloween, the eve or vigil of All Saints Day.

“All Souls Day is a solemn feast commemorating those who have died and are now in Purgatory. The site went on to say that:

“The All Souls Day indulgence is a wonderful way to show your love for a friend or family member who has died. In less than an hour on All Souls Day, you can release a soul from Purgatory. Why not gain the indulgence for your loved one?”

How different that concept is for me from what I read in Scripture. As Bishop Wright once put it, we have “our Man in court,” Jesus. Jesus and what He has done for us is what the gospel is about. He not only died for us but we are told in Hebrews 7:25 that he lives to intercede for us. Jesus is both our Intercessor and our Judge. “He is our Man in court.” We can’t fail when we put our trust in him!

Being in purgatory or already in heaven of course depend on human beings having immortal souls. Which brings me to something else I read on the Internet this week. I admit I was quite troubled by what I read.

Dr Timothy George “teaches church history and doctrine and serves as executive editor for Christianity Today. He is on the editorial advisory boards of The Harvard Theological Review, Christian History and Books & Culture. On his website he writes: “If there is one thing the commercial side of American religion understands, it is supply and demand.

“The late Jerry Falwell is often credited with launching the current ‘Hell House’ craze with his Scare Mare program back in 1972. But the demand for “sanctified” haunted houses has grown over the years. Providing resources for the thousands of churches that sponsor such events has become a minor industry.”

A ‘how-too’ kit can be obtained by pastors and youth ministers “who want to put a little scare-mongering into their teen evangelism program.” The ‘Hell-House’ kit, is said to be available in the 50 states as well as 26 countries around the world.

It seems that Halloween is an annual evangelistic event in the US to describe and dramatise the horrors of Hell to frighten young people into accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. I couldn’t help thinking what a terrible depiction that gives of God. If you don’t accept me and what I have done for you I will burn you in hell forever!

The idea of purgatory and hell requires that the Bible teach that at creation God gave our first parents immortal souls! But that is not what we read in Genesis 2:7. It also requires that we ignore what God said in Genesis 2:17 and Genesis 3:22-24.

It also requires that judgment comes when we die instead of at the Coming of Jesus and the resurrection. As it says in Hebrews 9: 27-28, “And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.” There is the Advent idea in that verse, not going to be with the Lord at death, but “those who are eagerly waiting for him” to return.

The Bible tells us that immortality is a gift from God in Christ that comes at the Second Coming of Jesus. We read in 1 Corinthians 15:51-54:

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

There is the basis for the Christian faith and hope; it is in the resurrection of Jesus; as He was raised we will be raised too when Jesus comes at His Second Coming. That is the meaning of ‘Adventist’. Adventists believe in the resurrection of the whole person at the Second Coming of Jesus (1 Corinthians 15:20-23).

Besides Adventists there are many Christian leaders of renown, past and present, who put their emphasis on the hope of the resurrection while rejecting the teaching of the immortal soul doctrine.

There are blogs like this one on the Internet that bring together different people who believe in our future being conditional on the Second Coming and the resurrection from the dead. They don’t call themselves Adventists of course. They call themselves Conditionalists. Living eternally after death is conditional on a relationship with Jesus (John 14:6).

It says in 1 John 5:12 that “He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.” In John 6: 40 Jesus told his followers, “For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” That is when we are given immortality (1 Corinthians 15:51-57).

The First Epistle to Timothy refers to God as the “blessed and only Ruler, King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal. . . .” (1 Timothy 1:17 and 6:15-16).

Genesis 2:7 provides a clear biblical definition of the term, ‘soul’. It says there, “the Lord God formed the man out of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostril the breath of life and man became a living soul” (or “living being”).

Adam became a ‘living soul’ when God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life – and only then did man become a “living soul”. The same Hebrew phrase is used in Genesis 1:24  where animals are called “living creatures.” Genesis 2:7 doesn’t say God breathed into the man’s nostrils a living soul, it says he “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man become a living soul”.

It is the combination of earth’s compounds with the breath and spark of life from God that creates a soul. Without the breath of life from God there is no ‘living soul’. So when the body dies the reverse takes place. Ecclesiastes 12:7 tells us “the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit (which is the same word for breath) returns to God who gave it.”

Death is the cessation of life. Death is not life elsewhere. In John 8:44 Jesus speaks of the devil as a liar from the beginning. Through the first medium Satan used, the serpent, Satan convinced our first parents they would not surely die if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3: 2-4). But we know all too well that death came to the human race as a result.

And isn’t that the reason for the Gospel as given to us in the Bible? The Bible story tells us that our first parents were made perfect, but that they sinned and forfeited their potential for immortality. “The wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). That is the bad news. The Good News is that God set a plan in motion that gave us fallen beings a second chance. Yes, “The wages of sin is death” but, as the Apostle Paul completes verse 23, “the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” If we die, it will not be because God has chosen we should die. It will be our own personal choice not to have accepted Jesus as our Creator and Saviour!

The New Testament is full of promises about the Second Coming of Jesus and the resurrection at the last day. The hope of the New Testament writers was to see Jesus coming again when they would be raised to glory. That is how the Apostle Paul saw his future in 2 Timothy 4:7-8.

I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.”

That is what it means to be an Adventist. It means to long for his appearing. That is how Hebrews 11:39-40 described God’s people of Old Testament days (Hebrews 11:13-16, 39-40). As did God’s people down through the ages we live in anticipation of his promised return (John 14:1-3; Matthew 24:14, 30-31; 28:18-20; Acts 1:7-8; Revelation 14: 6-7). And that is what Christians declare every time they participate in the Lord’s Supper, “for when you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes” (1 Corinthians 11: 26; cf. Matthew 26: 26-30).

The longing for the coming of Jesus is a dominant theme throughout the New Testament. The emphasis on the immortal soul has replaced the New Testament emphasis on the Second Coming and the Resurrection as taught in Scripture.

Because Conditionalists don’t believe in the sufferings of an eternal hell doesn’t mean that the Bible doesn’t teach the idea of a judgment ( Hebrews 9: 27-28). But the judgment follows the Second Coming of Jesus and the Resurrection – that is made quite clear in passages such as Daniel 12:1-3 and in John 5:25-29, and in Revelation 22: 12-16.

In the Immortal Soul teaching judgment or rewards follow immediately at death, either purgatory, heaven or hell, and therefore precede the Second Coming and the Resurrection. This is completely contrary to the teaching of Scripture.

Why invent something you don’t find in Scripture such as Purgatory, as a time of cleansing for the people to be saved and sent to heaven? Doesn’t 1 John 1:9 say that “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness”?

Introducing the concept of Purgatory denies God is able to cleanse and purify us when we have truly confessed our sins to him directly. As 1 Timothy 2:5 makes clear, “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all men -.”

God accepts us as soon as we have accepted Jesus and His goodness and his Lordship over our lives (Romans 10:13). Any good works we have are as a result of receiving our salvation from Jesus. We respond to him because He has saved us, not because we hope he will save us. It is this truth in Jesus that sets us free from superstition and fear of the future?

And there is no saints with additional merits who may help us in the courts of heaven. We have our all-sufficient Saviour there. He doesn’t need any persuading by Mary or Saint to save us. As we read in 1 John 5:12, “He who has the Son has life”. It is present tense, not some future prospect after enduring alleged purgatorial refinements. Said Jesus in verse 3 of his pastoral prayer of John 17, “This is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” Do we know him?

Salvation through Jesus Christ alone is the central truth of the Bible. And that salvation includes the hope of the resurrection to immortality at the Second Coming of Jesus.

There are many passages in the Bible that speak of the Second Coming of Jesus and the Resurrection of the dead. Job gives us a wonderful picture of this hope in Job 19:25-27: “I know my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I myself will see him with my own eyes – I and not another. How my heart years within me!” There’s that Christian longing for the day of that appearing again.

That is the ‘All Soul’s Day’ we look forward to. The All Souls day and the All Saints day rolled into one; the resurrection day when all who have loved the Lord will be raised to be with him forever. As the Apostle John put it in Revelation 21: 1-5.

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away. And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.

I have shared much of these thoughts elsewhere on the blog, but it does me a great deal of good to remind myself of the Good News in the Bible and what it has revealed to us. It has a wonderful gospel of hope to share in our troubled world!

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My Wife’s Uncle Tom

Leaving the M4 near Newport when on our occasional trips to Brecon and beyond, we have, if the weather allows, dropped down into Talybont and made our way along to the village of Llanfrynach, The Church of St Brynach with its overgrown churchyard is about 3 miles south of the market town of Brecon. Our focus is not just the well kept ‘comfort stop’ which the villagers provide but the churchyard itself. There is a tomb stone still standing after 100 years, to Thomas Adams. Brother to her father he was the uncle my wife never knew. He died at the age of 19 in the Senghenydd explosion 100 years today, one of the 400 men and boys who died in that awful tragedy. Imagine that small community of Senghenydd bereft of so many of its men folk.

My grandfather was on the afternoon shift, and so must have been my wife’s grandfather, he was one of the rescuers who went down the pit following the explosion. One can only imagine the conditions with the ventilation system blown out. Tom’s father died the following year. The Adams family had come from Llanfrynach. Many people had come to the industrial area of South Wales from other parts of rural Wales. And when we call by at Talybont and Llanfrynach we remind ourselves of the lovely setting that was left behind for the hazardous work of mining in the south.

For my wife’s Uncle Tom, mining was a means to something much different. He had a goal in life. In his spare time 19-year-old Thomas Adams was studying for the Methodist ministry. God knows his life and intentions, and one day my wife will see the Uncle Tom she never knew. That is the Christian hope. Meanwhile, when we are up that way we will stop by and put a spray of sweet peas by the headstone to let others know there is someone who still thinks about him. 

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“Perspectives on Paul” by Tom Wright

Says Ben Witherington in his recent post:

“My friend and colleague Tom Wright now has two new big books on Paul coming out, the first is a collection of his many essays on Paul over the last 35 years (640 pages, out with SPCK first) and the second is his magnum opus on Paul (which we will deal with in due course). Since these essays are mostly all previously published, I thought it would be helpful to do a dialogue with Tom on some of their major themes and trajectories in a several part series. Here is his response to my first question–“ This first perspective is on the Law of God

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Believers Consume Fewer Drugs Than Atheists

I was a teenager when my father described to me his battle to give up smoking when he became a Christian. I thought of him as a tough determined character but he said he actually cried when he threw his pipe into the flames of the coal fire. He was so addicted. His reason for giving up smoking was his Christian faith. Becoming a Christian was a serious decision for him and when he read 1 Corinthians 6: 19-20 he knew even back those many years ago when smoking was the in thing that what he was doing was not good for his health.

Realising as a teenager what power smoking had on my father at some time in his life I chose not to make myself vulnerable to its control. It wasn’t for any religious reason. I was just opposed to any kind of controlling influence. Of course, we are all controlled in some way or another whether by choice, such as surrendering self-interest for the greater good of family or friends, or by law such as when the taxman wants a percentage of my income. But we can choose to avoid being controlled by harmful influences, whether people or substance. Who would have thought back in my father’s day that civilised countries would ban smoking in public, even in Russia! 

Today, we are a lot more informed about the damage we do to our bodies with smoking and other substances, and how costly it is to family and the nation. But for the Christian, there is a powerful motivation to avoid any kind of substance abuse because of the One who should have control in his or her life, and for good reason as stated in 1 Corinthians 6:19-20. Hence it should not be surprising that Christians and maybe other faith groups who acknowledge a ‘higher authority’ who has their best interests at heart should come out well in the recent report by a Swiss National Science Foundation research team.

“Young Swiss men who say that they believe in God are less likely to smoke cigarettes or pot or take ecstasy pills than Swiss men of the same age group who describe themselves as atheists. Belief is a protective factor against addictive behaviour. This is the conclusion reached by a study funded by the Swiss National Science Foundation.”

Back in 2001 a report found that Spirituality and Religion reduced the risk of substance abuse. And while the decision I made back in my younger days not to smoke was not a religious one, becoming a Christian made it easier to give up alcohol abuse (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). So there is something that is better and best about belief. Practicing Christians will want to be an asset not a burden on family and the state. Even the atheist Matthew Parris wrote of the benefits of the Christian faith

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Is Martin Luther King’s Dream Still Alive?

I posted on Martin Luther King Day back in January. The 28th of last month was the 50th Anniversary of Martin Luther King’s now famous speech.

The BBC reported that President Obama said that, “”When you are talking about Dr King’s speech at the March on Washington,” he added, “you’re talking about one of the maybe five greatest speeches in American history.””

Sky News reported, “Mr Obama is set to speak on the steps of Washington’s Lincoln Memorial, the site of Dr King’s address on August 28, 1963 before a crowd of 250,000 people.” “Dr King, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, was assassinated by a white prison escapee in 1968.”

The BBC provides a short history of Martin Luther King here and reports on President Obama’s speech at the Anniversary of Martin Luther King’s ‘I Have dream’ speech here

Wikipedia reminds its readers of the influence of Jesus Christ on Luther’s life:

“As a Christian minister, Martin Luther King’s main influence was Jesus Christ and the Christian gospels, which he would almost always quote in his religious meetings and speeches at church; but also in public discourses. King’s faith was strongly based in Jesus’ commandment of loving your neighbor as yourself, loving God above all, and loving your enemies, praying for them and blessing them. His non-violent thought was also based in the injuction to turn the other cheek in the Sermon on the Mount, and Jesus’ teaching of “putting your sword back into its place” (Matthew 26:52).[16] In his Letter from Birmingham Jail, King urges action consistent with what he describes as Jesus’ “extremist” love, and also quotes numerous other Christian pacifist authors, which was very usual for him. In his speech I’ve Been to the Mountaintop, he states he just wanted to do God’s will.

Apart from Jesus Christ, King gave credit to Boston University for its influence on his life. “It was this University that meant so much to me, in terms of the formulation of my thinking and the ideas that have guided my life,” said King. Martin Luther King will always be one of America’s great icons, deservedly for what he was and what he stood for. Known for his quotes perhaps the one quote that will and should remain memorable is, “I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of the character.”

We spend a lot of time, and even laws to enforce changed attitudes and behaviour. But behaviour has to begin with our value system, what we think, feel and believe. Unless those change then there is no change. Our values influence our attitude toward those around us and towards life in general, and those attitudes are reflected some way or another in our behaviour. Without change in our values, behaviours are not going to change. We might mask our thoughts and feelings and look good on the outside, but Jesus said, unless we clean the inside of the cup, then the outside will remain unclean. Matthew 23:25-26. Whatever our values they will at some stage show in attitudes and behaviour. A subject that Jim Denison addresses in, Is Martin Luther King’s Dream Still Alive?

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“Zombie Claims” On Jesus The Revolutionary

“One of the things variously amusing and annoying is the re-appearance of ideas and claims in my own area of expertise as if something new, something suppressed (e.g., by us scholars supposedly) and reeeeally racy and sensationally important that are in fact simply re-hashings (or re-packagings) of previous claims that were quite adequately and convincingly discredited years (or even decades) ago. I call these “zombie claims”: No matter how often you kill ‘em off with the facts, they come back again, typically after sufficient years have passed that the news media will have forgotten the previous appearance(s) (and the memory of today’s news media is impressively short).

Indeed, in today’s world of internet and e-communication, such zombie claims get a new life rather quickly, and get buzzed around the world almost overnight. The latest zombie claim to come to my attention (at least in my field) is pushed in Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth, by Reza Aslan.

Aslan (a PhD in Sociology of Religion, and with his own marketing firm, and with a university connection in creative writing, but no training or demonstrated expertise in ancient Judaism, early Christianity, Roman history, or any of the subjects relevant to the book in question) pushes in sensationalist prose the supposedly shocking idea that Jesus was actually a political revolutionary who advocated an armed struggle against Roman occupation of his homeland. Apparently, since a recent Fox TV News interview, sales of the book have gone through the roof . . . .” says Larry Hurtad0 on Ben Witherington’s blog.

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Why Do Christians Love Rules?

Trillia Newbell sends me back to my posts on Walter Martin and his view of Law and Grace. For me, it is Trillia Newbell who has got it right on Law and Grace.

“The rule of law in the Old Testament was given for our benefit. The law reminds us of our sinfulness and points us to Christ. It also helps us to understand the righteous requirement of God that can never be achieved without Jesus. For me, it gives me a glimpse of God’s holy character. He is set apart and not one ounce of imperfection is in Him. That is why we need Jesus! The whole Old Testament sings of the coming of Christ. He came and fulfilled the law. Now we have the joy of following Christ and submitting to His will revealed to us through the Word. It is our delight to obey God because we now know that Jesus paid it all. We delight in obedience not because we can earn anything but because He was the suffering Servant and His ways are good—and for our good.

“But we fail. And we don’t only fail—we plum blow it at times. Every single day we break the law of God. So for the rule keeper we have a dilemma. We can either obey God and believe that this great salvation really did accomplish what He said it did or we can continue to strive. Obedience is good and beautiful but obedience cloaked in self-righteousness and condemnation is legalism. Jesus says, “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest” (Matthew 11:28). All who labor in hopes of earning favor before God, Jesus says He will give you rest.” Read of Trillia Newbell here:

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